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* ['Reply-To' Munging Considered
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Harmful](http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html)
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* [Reply-To Munging Considered
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Useful](http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml)
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* [RFC 822](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc822.txt): _STANDARD FOR THE FORMAT
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OF ARPA INTERNET TEXT MESSAGES_
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* [RFC 2822](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt): _Internet Message
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<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#000000" LINK="#5500EE" ALINK="#FF0000" VLINK="#551A8B">
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<h1>This Page is a Mirror</h1>
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<p>This page has been mirrored for historical preservation</p>
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<H1>"Reply-To" Munging Considered Harmful</H1>
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<H2>An Earnest Plea to Mailing List Administrators</H2>
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<HR>
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<P>An email message requires some amount of processing when it is
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redistributed to a mailing list. At the very least, the envelope must
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be rewritten to redirect bounces directly to the list administrator.
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While the message is being processed, the list administrator might
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take advantage of the opportunity to
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<A HREF="http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/m/munge.html">munge</A> some
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of the message headers.
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<P>Some forms of header munging are helpful, such as special loop-detection
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headers. Others are questionable. Most are ill-advised or dangerous.
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Many list adminstrators want to add a <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header that
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points back to the list. This transformation also is one of the most
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ill-advised.
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<P>Some administrators claim that <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging makes
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it easier for users to respond to the entire list, and helps encourage
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list traffic. These benefits are fallacious. Moreover, <KBD>Reply-To</KBD>
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can have harmful -- even dangerous -- effects. If you think
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<KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging is a good idea, I hope I can change your
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mind.
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<H2>The Principle of Minimal Munging</H2>
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<P>Email processing is pretty tricky. Read through
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<A HREF="ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc822.txt">RFC-822</A>, the
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<CITE>Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text Messages</CITE>,
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sometime. It is 47 pages of dense, dry detail. A lot of engineering
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and consideration went into this work. Even still, RFC-822 leaves
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many corner conditions and specialized circumstances poorly specified.
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<A HREF="ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1123.txt">RFC-1123</A>, the
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commonly-called <CITE>Internet Host Requirements</CITE> document, adds
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a couple dozen more pages, and remedies some of the defects. Then
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there is MIME, X.400 mapping, and a handful of other standards and
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conventions -- some documented and some folklore. Email handling is
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surprisingly complicated, and even an innocuous-sounding change might
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have grave, unintended consequences.<P>
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<P>The "Principle of Minimal Munging" is a good rule that will keep
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you out of trouble. It says you should <EM>not</EM> make any changes
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to an email header unless you know precisely what you want to do,
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why you want to do it, and what it will affect. Unless you can
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articulate a clear reason for munging and understand the full consequences
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of the action, you should not do it.
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<P>The "Principle of Minimal Munging" will help you avoid the sorts of
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problems we are about to discuss. This principle <EM>is</EM> a rule
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designed to be broken, but you can avoid some significant heartache
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by thinking hard and long before you do so.
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<H2>It Adds Nothing</H2>
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<P><KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging does not benefit the user with a reasonable
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mailer. People want to munge <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> headers to make
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"reply back to the list" easy. But it already is easy. Reasonable
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mail programs have two separate "reply" commands: one that replies
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directly to the author of a message, and another that replies to the
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author plus all of the list recipients. Even the lowly
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<A HREF="http://www.bsdi.com/bsdi-man/?Mail%281%29">Berkeley
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<CITE>Mail</CITE></A> command has had this for about a decade.
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<P>Any reasonable, modern mailer provides this feature. I prefer the
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<A HREF="http://www.myxa.com/myxa/elm.html"><CITE>Elm</CITE> mailer</A>.
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It has separate "r)eply" and "g)roup-reply" commands. If I
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want to reply to the author of a message, I strike the "<KBD>r</KBD>"
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key. If I want to send a reply to the entire list, I hit "<KBD>g</KBD>"
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instead. Piece 'o cake.
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<P>I mention <CITE>Elm</CITE> here (and a lot later on) simply because
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that's the mailer I use everyday. This sort of support is not unique
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to <CITE>Elm</CITE> Any reasonable mailer provides it. The
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<CITE>Pine</CITE> mailer, for instance, asks directly, "Reply to all
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recipients?" when you use the "<KBD>r</KBD>" command. It doesn't
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get much easier than that!
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<P>Whichever mailer you choose, please <EM>read</EM> the fine manual
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that comes with it. Unless you are stuck with some decrepit mail
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system, I bet you'll find it has a similar feature. If so, you easily
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can choose to direct your responses either to the original author or
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the entire list. Mauling the mail headers doesn't make it any easier.
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<H2>It Makes Things Break</H2>
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<P>If you use a reasonable mailer, <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging does not
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provide any new functionality. It, in fact, <EM>decreases</EM>
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functionality. <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging destroys the "reply-to-author"
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capability. Munging makes this command act effectively the same as
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the "reply-to-group" function. We haven't added anything new, we've
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only taken away. <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging is not merely benign,
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it is harmful. It renders a useful mail capability inoperative.
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<H2>Freedom of Choice</H2>
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<P>Some administrators justify <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging by saying,
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"All responses should go directly to the list anyway." This is
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arrogant. You should allow <EM>me</EM> to decide exactly how I wish
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to respond to a message. If I feel a public response is justified,
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I'll hit the "<KBD>g</KBD>" key and tell <CITE>Elm</CITE> to do a
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group-reply. If I believe a private response is more appropriate,
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I'll use "<KBD>r</KBD>" to send one. Please allow me the freedom
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to decide how to handle a message.
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<H2>Can't Find My Way Back Home</H2>
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<P>It may be impossible to reply to the author of a message once the
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<KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header is munged. The <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header
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was not invented on a whim. It is there for the sender of a mail
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message to use. If you stomp on this header, you can lose important
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information.
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<P>There are good reasons why the sender might insert a <KBD>Reply-To</KBD>
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header. The sender might <EM>not</EM> be the original author of the
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message (the name that appears in the <KBD>From</KBD> header). If
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responses should return to the sender and not the original author,
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then the sender will insert a <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header. Or, maybe
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the sender added a <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> because he or she cannot receive
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email at the account from which the message was sent. There are many
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good reasons to place a <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header into a mailing list
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message.
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<P>If the <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> is munged by the mailing list, the value
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provided by the original sender is lost. <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging
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can make it impossible to reach the sender of a message.
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<H2>Coddling the Brain-Dead, Penalizing the Conscientious</H2>
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<P>There are, unfortunately, poorly implemented mail programs that lack
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separate reply-to-author and reply-to-group functions. A user saddled
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with such a brain-dead mailer can benefit from <KBD>Reply-To</KBD>
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munging. It makes it easier for him or her to send responses directly
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to the list.
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<P>This change, however, penalizes the conscientious person that uses
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a reasonable mailer. This is a poor trade-off. As Internet list
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administrators, we should encourage people to run reasonable software.
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If a few people need to type in a full reply address so that everybody
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else can use all the features of their mailer, I say, "Fine!" We
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should not penalize the conscientious to coddle those who run brain-dead
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software.
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<H2>Principle of Least Work</H2>
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<P>Compare and contrast: the work required for me (or any other
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<CITE>Elm</CITE> user) to reply on lists that do and don't employ
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<KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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<PRE>
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Case One: Case Two:
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Action Without Munging With Munging
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Reply to Hit the "g" Probably hit the "r"
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everybody. key. key, but maybe the "g"
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key if there were other
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recipients of the message.
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Reply just Hit the "r" Look at the original
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to author. key. message header, write
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down the sender's
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email address, hit the
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"r" key, call up the
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header editing menu,
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erase the current To:
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value, and type in the
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sender's full email
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address. And pray the
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correct address wasn't
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wiped out when the Reply-To
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was munged.
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</PRE>
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P>Again, your preferred mailer probably implements this feature in
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a different fashion. Nonetheless, it should be easy. I'll take box
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number one, Monte.
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<H2>Principle of Least Surprise</H2>
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<P>When I hit the "<KBD>r</KBD>" key in <CITE>Elm</CITE>, it sends a
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response to the author of a message. When you munge the <KBD>Reply-To</KBD>
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header you change this action so that it does something entirely
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different from what I expect. This creates specialized behavior for
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your mailing list, which increases the potential for surprise. I'm
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not schooled in the science of human factors, but I suspect surprise
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is not an element of a robust user interface.
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<P>Private messages frequently are broadcast across lists that do
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<KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging. That's an empirical fact. It's what
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happens when you violate the principle of least surprise.
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<H2>Principle of Least Damage</H2>
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<P>Consider the damage when things go awry. If you do not munge the
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<CITE>Reply-To</CITE> header and a list subscriber accidentally sends a
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response via private email instead of to the list, he or she has to
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follow up with a message that says, "Ooops! I meant to send that to
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the list. Could you please forward a copy for me." That's a hassle,
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and it happens from time to time.
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<P>What happens, however, when a person mistakenly broadcasts a private
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message to the entire list? If the message is a complaint about the
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personal hygiene of sender's boss, or the sex life of his or her
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roommate, a simple "Ooops!" won't cut it. About all you can do is
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send a followup with lots of retroactive smileys (weak). Or say your
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cat was dancing on the keyboard (better). Or start reading the
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classifieds for a new job/roommate/set of teeth (most likely).
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<P><KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging encourages catastrophic failure modes.
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Sure, you don't need <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging to create this sort
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of damage. A simple slip of the fingers will suffice. When, however,
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you violate the "Principle of Least Surprise" you invite this sort
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of disaster. A responsible list administrator will avoid creating
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avenues that lead to such extreme damage.
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<H2>And in the End...</H2>
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<P>If you are not convinced yet, then allow me one final plea. I contribute
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to the <CITE>Elm</CITE> mailer development team. I get to see a lot
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of the wants and requests from the user community. Guess what feature
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more and more people are asking for? A <EM>third</EM> reply command
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-- one that ignores any existing <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header! Want to
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guess why people are asking for it? If you think you are doing your
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subscribers a service by munging <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> headers, you are
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kidding yourself. You are making your subscribers miserable.
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<P>Some list administrators, even after reading all this, seem to say,
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"Oh, it's not that bad. Besides, my subscribers like it!" If they
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do, it's probably because they haven't bothered to learn to use the
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"reply-to-group" feature of their mailer. Instead of going through
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all the trouble of making your list gateway scribble on email headers,
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how about making an effort to educate your subscribers?
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<H2>Summary</H2>
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<P>Many people want to munge <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> headers. They believe
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it makes reply-to-list easier, and it encourages more list traffic.
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It really does neither, and is a very poor idea. <KBD>Reply-To</KBD>
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munging suffers from the following problems:
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<UL>
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<LI>It violates the principle of minimal munging.
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<LI>It provides no benefit to the user of a reasonable mailer.
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<LI>It limits a subscriber's freedom to choose how he or she will direct
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a response.
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<LI>It actually reduces functionality for the user of a reasonable mailer.
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<LI>It removes important information, which can make it impossible to
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get back to the message sender.
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<LI>It penalizes the person with a reasonable mailer in order to coddle
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those running brain-dead software.
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<LI>It violates the principle of least work because complicates the
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procedure for replying to messages.
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<LI>It violates the principle of least surprise because it changes the
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way a mailer works.
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<LI>It violates the principle of least damage, and it encourages a failure
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mode that can be extremely embarrassing -- or worse.
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<LI>Your subscribers don't want you to do it. Or, at least the ones who
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have bothered to read the docs for their mailer don't want
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you to do it.
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</UL>
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<H2>Addendum</H2>
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<P>In case you are wondering, yes, I once thought <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging
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was a nifty idea. I got better though.
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<P>When I started running email lists, I munged 'em all. One day I
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accidentally sent a private, personal reply out over one of my own
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damn lists. If the list owner can't remember how to use the list
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properly, no way will the subscribers be able to sort it out. I
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stopped munging the very next day.
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<P>On the whole, it has worked out quite well. Yes, on occasion
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somebody mistakenly responds directly to the author of a message when
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they wanted to reply to the group. Most folks, however, seem to catch
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on pretty fast to how it works, and seem to appreciate the flexibility.
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Moreover, private responses mistakenly sent to the entire list have
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become an almost unheard-of event.
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<P>
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<H2 ALIGN=CENTER>Reply-To Munging Considered Useful</H2>
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<H3 ALIGN=CENTER>An Earnest Plea to Mailing List Administrators</H3>
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<H4 ALIGN=CENTER>Last revised: 3 January 2000</H4>
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<HR>
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<P>An email message requires some amount of processing when it is
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redistributed to a mailing list. At the very least, the envelope must
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be rewritten to redirect bounces directly to the list administrator.
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<P>While the message is being processed, the list administrator might
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take advantage of the opportunity to
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<A HREF="http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/m/munge.html">munge</A> some
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of the message headers. Many list administrators want to add a
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<KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header that points back to the list. This transformation
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is also one of the most useful.
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<P>Some administrators claim that <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging
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can have harmful -- even dangerous -- effects. I assert the opposite,
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that <EM>not</EM> adding a <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header has even more
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harmful effects. If you think
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<KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging is a <EM>bad</EM> idea, I hope I can change your
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mind.
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<H3>RFC 822 and "Text Message Teleconferencing"</H3>
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<P>The first thing to consider is that
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<a href="http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html">RFC 822</a>, the document which
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defines the standards and usages for email, specifically mentions this usage in
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section 4.4.3:
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<pre>
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A somewhat different use may be of some help to "text message
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teleconferencing" groups equipped with automatic distribution
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services: include the address of that service in the "Reply-To"
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field of all messages submitted to the teleconference; then
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participants can "reply" to conference submissions to guarantee
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the correct distribution of any submission of their own.
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</pre>
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<P>Aside from this official sanction, there are a number of reasons for munging
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the <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header. The arguments which follow are my own.
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They may not be comprehensive, but I think they are compelling.
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<H3>The Principle of Minimal Bandwidth</H3>
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<P>The ``Principle of Minimal Bandwidth'' is a good rule that will keep
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you out of trouble. It says that you <EM>should</EM> make any changes
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which will reduce the amount of email traffic on the Internet.
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The ``Principle of Minimal Bandwidth'' will help you avoid the sorts of
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problems we are about to discuss. This principle <EM>is</EM> a rule
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designed to be broken, but you can avoid some significant heartache
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by thinking hard and long before you do so.
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<H3>Reply-To Munging Adds Something</H3>
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<P><KDB>Reply-To</KDB> gives the respondant an option which would not
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otherwise exist: namely the ability to <EM>reply only to the list</EM>.
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Despite the fact that many (though not all) email clients have the
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ability to "reply to sender" or "reply to all recipients", many list
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subscribers want to <EM>reply only to the list</EM>, which is not the
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result of selecting either of these options. So, to ensure that the
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reply goes to the list, they select "reply to all recipients", which
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generally results in the sending of <EM>at least two</EM> email messages, one
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to the list, and one to the original sender.
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<P>This is frequently quite annoying to the original sender, who now
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receives two copies of the reply. Furthermore, in many cases the original
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sender has added additional recipients. Not only does "reply to all
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recipients" send the reply to each of these additional recipients
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(who are frequently also members of the list), it also propagates this
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list of recipients onto the reply to the list.
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<P>The effects of this snowball, as each additional person replies to the
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messages using "reply to all recipients", they become the sender, and thus
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get added to the list of recipients with the next reply. Thus the list of
|
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recipients grows and grows. Frequently, as the subject matter changes,
|
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members of the list find themselves receiving multiple copies of messages
|
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which have strayed from the topic in which they were originally interested,
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<i>even after they have unsubscribed from the list</i>.
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<P>Many people have pointed out that it is relatively easy to implement a
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<KBD>procmail</KBD> filter to remove duplicates. This attitude merely reveals
|
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a Unix-centric and US-centric viewpoint. Many users of inferior operating
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systems <i>do not</i> have a tool powerful enough to ensure the removal of
|
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duplicate messages. Furthermore, in many European countries, connect time is
|
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charged by the <i>minute</i>. Even with <KBD>procmail</KBD>, the duplicates
|
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have to be <i>downloaded</i> before they can be filtered, resulting in
|
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unnecessary additional expenses for some of our European list mates.
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<P>This last fact reveals that the issue is really related to bandwidth.
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By applying the ``Principle of Minimal Bandwidth'', we conclude that it
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is necessary to add a <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header that points back to the list.
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<H3>It Doesn't Break Reasonable Mailers</H3>
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|
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<P>If you use a reasonable mailer, <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging <EM>does</EM>
|
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provide new functionality, namely the ability to <EM>reply only to the
|
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list</EM>. Furthermore, it does <EM>not decrease</EM> functionality. In Pine,
|
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for example, when there is a <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header, Pine will ask,
|
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``Use "Reply-To:" address instead of "From:" address?'', easily allowing
|
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one to reply only to the original author. In KMail, it is even easier. One
|
||||
merely right-clicks on the hyperlinked <KBD>From</KBD> address.
|
||||
|
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<P>If your mailer doesn't have this option, you should request it from its
|
||||
development team. Any mailer, whose development team refuses this simple
|
||||
request due to some ideological position, cannot be said to be reasonable.
|
||||
|
||||
<H3>Freedom of Choice</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>Since <KDB>Reply-To</KDB> munging adds additional functionality, it actually
|
||||
<EM>increases</EM> freedom of choice. Not only can you now <EM>reply only to
|
||||
the list</EM>, you still have the option to reply to the original
|
||||
author, or to all recipients, easily and conveniently.
|
||||
|
||||
<H3>Some Mailers are Broken</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>There are, unfortunately, some poorly implemented mail programs that lack
|
||||
separate "reply-to-author" and "reply-to-group" functions. A user saddled
|
||||
with such a mailer can benefit from <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging. It makes
|
||||
it easier for him or her to send responses directly to the list.
|
||||
|
||||
<P>Furthermore, this change <EM>does not</EM> penalize the conscientious
|
||||
person that uses a reasonable mailer. Reasonable mailers give one the
|
||||
ability to reply to the <KBD>From</KBD> address. Therefore, it would be
|
||||
unkind to further penalize those with poorly implemented mail programs, since
|
||||
munging the <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header causes no harm to those with reasonable
|
||||
mailers.
|
||||
|
||||
<H3>Principle of Least Total Work</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>For discussion type lists, I would estimate that ninety percent of the time,
|
||||
people want to reply to the list. Without munging, they either have to break
|
||||
the ``Principle of Least Bandwidth'', or type in the list address. Many people,
|
||||
being lazy, will choose the former, sending unnecessary copies of emails to
|
||||
people who will either have to delete them, or take the time to set up a
|
||||
filter (if they are lucky enough to be running an operating system which
|
||||
facilitates this).
|
||||
|
||||
<P>On the other hand, about ten percent of the time, replying to the sender
|
||||
might be more appropriate. Even if the respondant has an unreasonable
|
||||
mailer (a decision for which they are probably responsible), the worst case
|
||||
scenario is that they have to type in an address ten percent of the time.
|
||||
Of course, if they took the time to add this recipient to their address book,
|
||||
they could reduce the amount of typing to a minimum.
|
||||
|
||||
<P>So, which produces least total work: typing in the list address ninety
|
||||
percent of the time (plus possibly taking the time to set up a filter), or
|
||||
typing in an individual's address ten percent of the time?
|
||||
|
||||
<P>I'll take munged <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> headers every time, thanks.
|
||||
|
||||
<H3>People are Responsible for Their Own Mistakes</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>Some administrators claim that munging <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> headers is
|
||||
harmful because it surprises people, and can cause damage when things go
|
||||
awry. They assert that administrators should prevent the possibility of a
|
||||
private message being mistakenly broadcast to the entire list.
|
||||
|
||||
<P>This is simply not the responsibility of the administrator. People are
|
||||
responsible for their own mistakes. If someone is sending a private email
|
||||
which is derogatory, or otherwise embarrassing were it to be made public,
|
||||
they should probably be sending it directly, rather than as a reply to a
|
||||
public message. They should also pause and think about whether they should
|
||||
be sending it at all. This pause should be quite sufficient for a
|
||||
conscientious person using a reasonable mailer to catch any mistake that
|
||||
they might be about to make.
|
||||
|
||||
<P>In any case, it is an entirely trivial matter for the list administrator
|
||||
to provide an obvious clue in the subject line of every message that the
|
||||
message was received from a mailing list. If your Mailing List Manager doesn't
|
||||
provide an option to prepend "[listname]" to the subject, then switch to one
|
||||
that does ( e.g. <a href="http://www.list.org/">GNU MailMan</a>
|
||||
or <a href="http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/">Majordomo</a> ).
|
||||
|
||||
<H3>And in the End...</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>If you are not convinced yet, then allow me one final plea. Most mailing
|
||||
lists are intended to facilitate discussion on a given topic. If this is
|
||||
indeed the primary purpose of your list, then you <EM>really should</EM> add a
|
||||
<KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header which directs replies to the list. This helps to
|
||||
ensure that the entire thread of the conversation is available to all who
|
||||
might be interested.
|
||||
|
||||
<P>I can't count the number of times I have searched the archives
|
||||
of a list for a solution to a problem, only to find the question asked, but
|
||||
no solution. Yet, when I subsequently post the question to the list, the
|
||||
long-time members insist that it has already been discussed, and that I should
|
||||
search the archives. If I'm lucky, a newer member forwards to me the private
|
||||
reply which answered the question.
|
||||
|
||||
<P>Thus, munging the <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> header benefits those lists which are
|
||||
intended for serious discussion. If your list is intended primarily for
|
||||
announcements or other one-way mailings, you may safely ignore these arguments.
|
||||
|
||||
<H3>It's What People Want</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>I have been and am subscribed to both munging and non-munging mailing lists.
|
||||
On the non-munging lists, there are regular requests to change the list so
|
||||
that <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> replies to the list. On the munging lists which
|
||||
already do this, there are hardly any requests for change.
|
||||
|
||||
<H3>Summary</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>Many people want to munge <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> headers. They believe
|
||||
it makes reply-to-list easier, and it encourages more list traffic.
|
||||
It really does both of these things, and is a very good idea. To reiterate:
|
||||
|
||||
<UL>
|
||||
|
||||
<LI>It adheres to the principle of minimal bandwidth.
|
||||
|
||||
<LI>It provides additional functionality to the user.
|
||||
|
||||
<LI>It increases a subscriber's freedom to choose how to direct a response.
|
||||
|
||||
<LI>It does not reduce functionality for the user of a reasonable mailer.
|
||||
|
||||
<LI>It aids and assists the user with a deficient mailer.
|
||||
|
||||
<LI>It adheres to the principle of least total work.
|
||||
|
||||
<LI>It helps to ensure that questions are answered on the list.
|
||||
|
||||
<LI>Your subscribers want you to do it.
|
||||
|
||||
</UL>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>
|
||||
<H3>Addendum</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>There are, of course, a few details that need to be addressed to make
|
||||
<KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging more pleasant and productive for everyone. One
|
||||
potentially serious problem with <KBD>Reply-To</KBD> munging is the possibility
|
||||
of mail loops. It should be possible for the list server to detect and prevent
|
||||
this. If anyone has any patches to implement this feature, I would be happy
|
||||
to provide a link to the patch on your ftp server, or to make it available on
|
||||
my own ftp server.
|
||||
|
||||
<P>Also, patches are needed for any mailers that do not implement the ability
|
||||
to reply to the <KBD>From</KBD> address. Please send links or patches to me
|
||||
at <i>sdhill at metasystema.net</i>. Thanks.
|
||||
|
||||
<H3>Patches</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>
|
||||
A patch for Emacs rmail is available at: <a href="http://www.metasystema.net/pub/patches/emacs/rmail-query-reply-to.el">http://www.metasystema.net/pub/patches/emacs/rmail-query-reply-to.el</a>.
|
||||
|
||||
<H3>Dissenting Opinion</H3>
|
||||
|
||||
<P>I originally wrote this essay as a response to Chip Rosenthal's
|
||||
<a href="harmful.html">
|
||||
Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful</a>.
|
||||
|
||||
<p>
|
||||
<address>Simon Hill</address>
|
||||
<address>sdhill at metasystema.net</address>
|
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